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Dear members of the atheist union, I would like to ask some questions, if anyone could help me to understand the law if Greece for the following subject: I am Russian, married to a Greek man, and I am atheist. My husband is considered to be orthodox, but not religious at all. In the future we are planning to make a child, and my husband wants to baptize the baby. I don't have any problem with that, but I would like to know, if it is allowed to baptize a child, if the parents are married civilly, not in the church. And if it is possible to give to a child the name separately from baptisy, and if this name can be different from the baptism name (we want to give double name). Thank you. If you have or going to have any publications on English or Russian languages, please, let me know. Best regards, Mila.


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Hello Mila and welcome to our community!
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if it is allowed to baptize a child, if the parents are married civilly, not in the church.

If you are asking about the state, yes it is.
The church customs, demand one (or more) baptized orthodox spiritual father or mother (Νονός or Νονά) who would take responsibility to guide the child in the orthodox dogma. This person(s) (not the parent) are the only people demanded to be baptized and if married, by with the orthodox ceremony.

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And if it is possible to give to a child the name separately from baptisy, and if this name can be different from the baptism name (we want to give double name).

Names at the Greek State are given with a paper signed by both parents in the Registry Office.
The problem begins if you want to registry the baptizing ceremony in the registry office with the different name.
After naming the child at the registry office, one can try to find a priest that agrees with this (the child to be named differently in the church), and tell any name you want, but this can be difficult.
You can always first baptize the child and go to the registry office later, not mentioning the ceremony or the papers of it, and giving at the Registry Office any name you want for the child. Some priests are even asking a paper from the registry office that you have not registered a different name for the child before the ceremony, so it can be tricky to do it before.

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ΔημοσίευσηΔημοσιεύτηκε: 23 Απρ 2016 05:45
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You need to bear in mind that, according to Greek law, baptism declaration is not a name declaration.
When you declare the baptism, you declare the child´s religion, not its name.
So you need to declare the name at the registry separately, apart from declaring from the baptism.
The name(s) you declare at the registry need not bear any relation to the names you use in the baptism.
It might be the same, or totally different, or it might include the baptism name if you so desire.
apeleytheros έγραψε:
The problem begins if you want to registry the baptizing ceremony in the registry office with the different name.
No problem at all. Your options:
1a. (recommended) First go to the registry and declare all the names you intend to give to your child, including the intended baptism name. Then baptize it using one of those names (or even all of those names, if they happen to be christian names).
1b. Baptize the child using one name, then go to the registry and declare another name or names. You do not need to mention the baptism, in fact you had better not, in case they get confused. Keep it simple at this point. As soon as you finish with the name declaration, you can declare the baptism as well.

2a. Baptize the child using one name, then go to the registry and declare the baptism name plus all the other names you want. You do not need to mention the baptism. As soon as you finish with the name declaration, you can declare the baptism as well.
2b. Baptize the child using one name, then go to the registry and declare another name or names. You do not need to mention the baptism, in fact you had better not, in case they get confused. Keep it simple at this point. As soon as you finish with the name declaration, you can declare the baptism as well.

In versions 1a and 2a, the baptism name will be part of the child's official name(s).
In versions 1b and 2b, the baptism name will not be part of the child's official name(s).
Take your choice. :P

apeleytheros έγραψε:
After naming the child at the registry office, one can try to find a priest that agrees with this (the child to be named differently in the church), and tell any name you want, but this can be difficult.
Not at all. You do not need to tell the priest that the child already has a name, do you? Even if you do, there is always option 1 or 2 above: the child need not be named differently, you just need to include the baptism name in the registry declaration along with all the other names you might want.

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I understand that you would like to declare different name(s) on r.o. papers and the ceremony, so my answer is based on this assumption. In that case, priests are refusing. The priest may ask a paper from the r. Office, but if he doesn't you would not have a problem if you don't mention it.
If you go to the church first and the r.o. later, you also sign a different paper in the r.o. with the child's name as mentioned in the comment above, which is irrelevant with the baptizing paper's name.


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